me and sureshot have the same gun odred from the same listing on the same site... but when you actually shoot them their is a distinct difference in sound... also you can feel almost every movement in my gearbox... my question is... is it possible that i could have an airsioft elite version and not an ics?...i'm asking this because i read somewhere that airsoft elkite take ICS guns and upgrades them

our guns are pretty much exactly the same besides where they are made from....(like which factrory produced them) and i dun think that AE really upgrades them because i actually think something may be wrong with your gun because ive never felt another AEG with that feeling of the gearbox...but im not exactly sure...i think its just where they are made...our guns are also only about 15 fps different and i have put many more rounds thru mine

my gun topped out at 394 fps(that is not a misprint it actually did 394) ... that's pretty factory upgraded to me... things may have changed so i'll definetly check at the upcoming cpx...besides 15000 rds should be enough to wear a spring to a consistent speed...i believe ur gun topped out at around 340 give or take 5-10 fps

I never got the whole airsoft elite/ICS thing. I just thought they were like the same piece of garbage (after I found out from buying my ics mp5a4 2 years ago). Any factor can make your guns sound different: build material, gearbox internals (about 10 in there that could possibly change the sound), the battery, etc. I don't think it's anything to worry about.

As for the 340fps in sureshot's gun, it's about right on target for what a stock ICS AEG should fire. Airsoft elite may already have the upgraded spring because 394 is impressive. My m15 only shoots 390 after plenty more rounds fired through it than yours.

i should have mentioned that it only gets around there after a good cleaning...even still it'll shoot around 360 after heavy use

GARBAGE!!! hah lol watever, im getting my m120 wen my dad grabs his m15, since its all pre upgraded internally i can throw an m120 in there with no problem....

yeah as soon as you learn how to assemble/dissassemble a gearbox...he has a point tho i have never had a single problem with my gun, these guns are far from garbage in my opinion/expierince (with this gun)

hells yea....ill pay adam or some1 to do it for me until i figure it out...adam sound good to u wen i actually get it??

that'll b a while... i might get a new barrel befo i get a spring...if my gun keeps up the way it is i probly won't need a spring for another 20-25 thousand rds...

Well, mine was garbage. It broke within four days of owning it and it broke an additional few times after getting it fixed. Bad experiences with airsplat and ics, but you seem to have a good one. I love the gun and the build, but the internals were always breaking in my v3. I would be happy to install your spring for you but keep in mind an mp5 wont gain much from a more powerful spring.

yea thats what im thinkin too....i think i may just think about incresing ROF if possible cuz an mp5 isnt really meant for really long range

we got the v.4 with the upgraded metal gears that could be part of it as far as internals disregarding the spring

i may grab a m120 and use .25's instead of .20's to hopefully make them more accurate...if that doeant work then i wasted 14 bux...not too bad....workin tomorrow so thats good

dude you probly won't need .25 g bb's just lower ur hopup w/ the .2 g and hopefully it'll have the same effect

Airsoft Elite are ICS guns that are shipped to the US, and have some internals upgraded and changed around.

They are both ICS guns, just the AE versions have some changes to them, namely metal bushings, an aluminum piston (hence the difference in sound), and a spring guide - otherwise, they are simply "US versions" of ICS.

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dude you probly won't need .25 g bb's just lower ur hopup w/ the .2 g and hopefully it'll have the same effect

The point of .25g bbs is to keep your shots more straight when firing in a more windy environment. Hopup changes the arc of the bb which can increase or decrease distance, but not accuracy. .25's are not recomended by all who do not have upgraded springs.

well both of our versions whether AE or ICS are upgraded internally with metal bushings and all that jazz but w/e...i like my gun, he likes his...ita sll good

awright... thx... this is a pretty inconclusive matter and there are plenty of reasons why r guns may look or act differently...so i guess it really doesn't make a difference to me or sureshot