i know some of you may not believe ics is a good manufacturing group but they are coming out with the L85

check it out...

www.icsbb.com/order/e_...ductID=739

hopefully it will be out next year i might just hold off on the m4 and get the L85

Yea not many people no about ics well alot of people probly do but might not think there that good. but they are if your looking for a good gun and you dont wanna spend that much on a tm or ca go for ics

No, alot of people do know about ICS.

They also know that ICS also dosn't have the best track record for reliablity and what not.

i have only had one problem with my gun and it was a quick fix (thanks to Toggle)... i think ics is a great brand as far as quliaty and stock power (not so much upgradability though)

axis14 wrote:

i have only had one problem with my gun and it was a quick fix (thanks to Toggle)... i think ics is a great brand as far as quliaty and stock power (not so much upgradability though)

Not so much of upgradability? The entire new version four lineup of ICS is all internally made so that you can upgrade all you want. And for externals, their mp5 which is the most popular is crazily upgradable. And all the new versions of the m4 are becoming better externally upgradable guns.

jreilly wrote:

...if your looking for a good gun and you dont wanna spend that much on a tm or ca go for ics

not all ICS guns are cheaper than TM or CA. their MP5s are centainly lower priced than the other two; but their m16 series are more than TM and the same as CA

SureShot1229 wrote:

axis14 wrote: i have only had one problem with my gun and it was a quick fix (thanks to Toggle)... i think ics is a great brand as far as quliaty and stock power (not so much upgradability though) Not so much of upgradability? The entire new version four lineup of ICS is all internally made so that you can upgrade all you want. And for externals, their mp5 which is the most popular is crazily upgradable. And all the new versions of the m4 are becoming better externally upgradable guns.

i was talking about the mp5 series... your really don't need to upgrde them though our our pretty powerful ( for mp5's)

ghostraven, most of the sites ive seen the ics m16's are cheaper than classic army

this is why i said ICS guns costs about the same as CA guns:

ICS/OA A1 RIS is 379 while CA/Armalite m15a4 RIS is 369
ICS/OA M16A3 rifle is 309 while CA/Armalite m15a4 rifle is 314
ICS/OA M16 tactical Carb is 309 while CA/Armalite m15 tac carb is 304
all these prices are from airsoft atlanta, i went to airsoft atlanta because they have all these models. other estores just have a few of the models. and even the models they carry the prices are similar with variations of a few dollars -+

some ics guns are more and some are less than ca, so i generalized and just said they cost about the same.

okay, ( i looked at airsoftgi and the price differences were considerably bigger, but everyone has their price)

like i said. some have ics higher others have ca higher. which is why i just said they're about the same.

Gh0stRaven wrote:

not all ICS guns are cheaper than TM or CA. their MP5s are certainly lower priced than the other two; but their m16 series are more than TM and the same as CA

I'm glad you brought that up, I was gunna say the same thing. I have personally had the worst experience with airsoft when it comes to ICS. When I first purchased their mp5a4, it broke within a few days. I was using a 9.6v battery which wasn't the best thing to do, but a gun shouldn't break like that. So after I returned it for a new one do to "a manufacturer defect", I used an 8.4v battery and it broke yet again.

Anyways, long story short. I have had a bad experience with stock and upgraded ICS guns so be careful.

i think you just got a dud plus mine is a version 4 (upgraded wirining and gear set w/ turbo 3000 motor)