Honestly, do not be surprised if airsoft becomes illegal in the state within the next couple of years, or you are required to sit through a class and get a permit...

Incidents like this one cbs2chicago.com/local/...92358.html are becoming more commonplace both in state, and out of state.

Hmm, perhaps I should consider a return to Kansas...

I can honestly see a 'hunting type safety class' for 16 or older, and total ban for anyone under 16. With Big Rod being reelected don't be surprised if that goes through.

With that incident from 2004 in Naperville, it was a chrome springer pistol with the orange paint removed from the barrel, which was taken during a burglary about three blocks from my house.

One of the part timers that I work with almost shot a kid in front of his house last year: Why? Discharging a gas pistol in his front yard at a one friend, then chasing another one of his friends around some cars on the block "Playing".

As a word of caution though, if you still play around your houses, let any new neighbors know who might move in to the neighborhood. Better safe then sorry.

god what tards, i guess that means i need to get greal guns now since my safe non lethal ones are banedm there goes the constitution right out the window

What really blows my mind about this is how much crap the police officers get in when stuff like this happens. Now in no way did the kid in Naperville deserve to get shot, I agree with that, but the Officer made a split second decision and acted upon it, and he did what he was supposed to. Officers on the street have a split second to make a life or death decision while the media and the rest of the world have all the time they want to critizice what he did.

Its horrible that kids nowadays are stupid enough to pull s**t like this, which is why I would support any law that makes it almost impossible for anyone to get an airsoft gun, just as long as I can still enjoy my hobby.

WTF..i have a bad feeling that these dumbass punks are going to ruin this for the rest of us. pretty soon we will have to paint our entire gun orange or blue just so this crap does not happen again. but my question is where the hell are the parents? what kind of adult choices are they making to give their half retarted kid a gun that looks real and then give them access to paint thinner? whatever stupid people are breeding its only a matter of time before no one is allowed to even own a gun period.

yea no s**t...i wanna beat the s**t out of the kid, we enjoy this stuff....im not going to sit throw a fucking class to learn how to shoot and use a airsoft gun...maybe tighter restrictions maybe but im not gunna do a class

I couldn't agree more. Airsoft guns should be used as a hobby, when stupid kids are doing dumbass s**t with them.

Ok question/scenario out of left field.

What if they, being the state, doesn't out right ban them, limits age of possession, or requires a safety class, but instead requires you to purchase only from one store who is the state's sole-importer. Let's use Agressive Sports Joliet as an example.

Meaning all online purchases from other states; airsoft atlanta, or airsoft extreme, or the overseas sales must be delivered to that one store? (Kind of like a FFL dealer for real firearms)

Said seller, ASJ, then can charge, a 'stocking, recieving, and insurance' fee, say no more the 20% of the value of the gun, plus accessories, if any, and initial shipping cost. This is added to what you already payed to get the gun in country plus shipping from HK.

If you decide to buy local, said seller can up upcharge on his stock say 15%, plus the store only stocks Cybergun, UTG, and Cyma.

Finally, no modifications to the weapon, (Internal or external) may be performed by the private owner after it has been imported into the country. All repairs must be sent to said state recognized importer, who will then 'fix' said gun. This includes, spring upgrades, pistons, fuse removal, metal body install, tight bore barrel, paint removal, adding paint, etc.

Would you shop through said importer, or make road trips out of state to buy? And if so, what caused you to chose that response?

birdman wrote:

yea no s**t...i wanna beat the s**t out of the kid, we enjoy this stuff....im not going to sit throw a fucking class to learn how to shoot and use a airsoft gun...maybe tighter restrictions maybe but im not gunna do a class

How or what would you restrict then? Seriously. Lets start with ownership for say those under 18. Ok fine mom or dad buys them, but they 'allow' you to use them? Same trick bag as the real deal. (I grew up with real guns in the house, as did my brothers. This first time I handled any of my father's guns was when I was 18. Oh I knew where the guns were kept, and where the ammo was stored for them, however he kept his safe keys and ammo box keys with him at all times.)

If you want to restrict the ages of posession, what age do you chose? Anyone under 14? How about anyone under 16, 18, 21? Kinds screws over the others on the board if you say 16 or 18 doesn't it?

What about a blanket statement 'No posession or use if you are still in school; being public, home, or parochial (Catholic).' What if the governor decides that you need a FOID to handle or use one, plus you can only be 21 or older?

See it's a trick bag. Everyone thinks they are responsible, or "Oh I won't do that", "I'd never wave them around in public", yet howmany posts have been published on this board about breaking the law and playing in a forest preserve, or 'open wooded area'? And this is without any type of state ban, only local ordinances.

Finally, you are talking about being responsible, "we enjoy this stuff....im not going to sit throw a fucking class to learn how to shoot and use a airsoft gun" yet in your own words you want to 'kick the crap out of him", explain how that is responsible or mature.

If they do have a class maybe the rest of us will be grandfatherd in. cause like u guys i'm not gonna sit through a class to listen to some one tell me to not point my gun at a cop or run around my front yard chasing my friends. screw it...if that happens i'll move to canada.

edit: i would drive out of my way. I want to have a choice in who i buy from and why, i also like having the ability to choose my accesories and not be limited to what one dealer offers. As a consumer i should have a choice on where to buy. if anythng give us the option to go to that store and ask them to order form a company overseas. i dunno, thats a what if...and if there is one thing i learned from my 6th grade teacher is that i should not focus on what if's, they will drive you crazy

how bout stricter laws for the dumbass who brings it to school. treat the case like an adult case as if a man pointed a real gun at a cop. i dont want to hear about this bullshit he didnt know what he is doing was wrong crap. when i was 5 i knew not t pick up a gun much less point it at a frickin cop. if there were stricter laws peole would do less s**t. lets say a man kills another man...screw the whole life senstence. kill him. when i said stricter laws i ment punishment, just to clerify that up. ur right tho about the whole being strict on who gets them...im just in a way pissed off mood right now so half the things i say are the way they should be, but cant possibly happen because the constitution. i have a bunch to say on this but im just to damn lazy to type any more

Sure you could do that, then you have the whiney liberals complaining about video game violence, tv violence, that fact that johhny is on medication, johnny isn't on medication, etc...

What if the said 14 year old as described in the news article from yesterday, the one that was just arrested was mentally unfit or was in a special needs class? What if he didn't know what he was doing was wrong? Is he to blame? What if an older brother/sister left the gun out, or has a habit of playing with them in the house? Changes things up a little, doesn't it.

If a kid is under 18 and brings the gun to school (real or fake, it doesn't matter), I would blame the parent. It is their responsibility to look over what their child is doing and more importantly what things he or she may own that are illegal.

Obviously parents probably won't find everything like hidden drugs or alcohol somewhere; but if the kid owns an airsoft gun, chances are it has been shot around the house and the parents would know. If you are under 18, you usually need your parents to buy the gun for you and I feel it is their job to alert you of the risks and punishments involved in ownership.

I understand that parents can't be everywhere at once and that they may not know everything that their child is doing, but they should have raised their kids to know that bringing a gun to school is wrong and warned them of the consequences if they mishandled one.

To comment on birdman's post, stricter laws aren't going to keep the kid alive after he's been shot by a cop. If they really have no sense not to bring a weapon to school, they probably won't care much about the punishment. If it was brought to school on accident (maybe a backpack was used as an airsoft bag), the student should notify a police consultant or administrator right away and inform them of the matter.

And would a class really help? I know there's people who have taken health and they get fucked up every weekend (or more often) and I'm not talking about alcohol. I took drivers ed and even I drive fast sometimes, despite the gruesome car crash videos.

Question? What is more probable: A kid bringing a low-end Dicks Sporting Goods replica into school or a $400 airsoft gun? I've said it before, remove the easy-access s**t that can be purchased in stores. Wiht the holidays, I bet so many parents will say "oh my son likes toy guns, this is a cheap way to give him some fun."

parents...where the hell are the parents? if the kid in "special" then the parents for sure have checkd his stuff. the parents need to take responsiblity. an 14 year old kid is just that a kid, now some of had some brains a lil sooner but it a kid and a kid is a parents responsibility.

I don't feel like editing for quotes, so excuse me when I just copy and paste.

Adam the Admin wrote "It is their responsibility to look over what their child is doing and more importantly what things he or she may own that are illegal."

So you mean to tell me you have never-ever, not once, hidden anything from your parents when you were in high school or grade school either in your room, closet, or computer? I'm not talking narcotics or alcohol either. Seriously, this is a gray area; 'borrowed' a matchbox car from a friend, found a 'magazine' behind the school, or 7-11 etc. All kids attempt to push the boundries of what their parents have set, either openly; curfew, or clandestinely, with hiding items. It is part of their development. I know I did. I had a co2 gun that I kept at a friends house that my parents didn't know about.

Adam the Admin also wrote this "If a kid is under 18 and brings the gun to school (real or fake, it doesn't matter)..." So you are saying a college age student or a senior in high school has the right to bring a gun to school, or the parents are not culpable (blameable) for their actions?

Atlas wrote "Parents...where the hell are the parents?" What if it is a single parent household because mom or dad is a dead beat parent having to work two jobs trying to make ends meet?

Now I am not defending said parent(s), their actions, or why 'Johnny' was able to smuggle a gun into school. Maybe he felt threatened or bullied, maybe he had an issue and wanted to solve it, maybe he forgot the gun was in his school bag like Adam suggested, or maybe he though it would be a good speech item to talk about. Or maybe his CS guy died after being the target of a aimbot cheat. www.pwned.nl/

(Edit 11/29/06 2130 addition of website)

Its still the parent's responsibility to teach the kid right from wrong whether generally like, "Never hurt anyone" or saying "Don't go to school with an airsoft gun." And besides, its common sense. If you bring a gun to school, you should know you're either gonna get suspended or in a worse case scenario, serioulsy hurt. It's also a shame that kids who use airsoft in a wrong way, like this, will be screwing it up for everyone who didn't do anything wrong.

i dont believe adam was saying its all right for college students to bring fake guns to school. he was prolly just stating that any one under the age of 18 is parents responsability and should be acountable for the kids bringing it to school. however college students on the other hand are responseable for their own actions. am i right adam?

Yeah, birdman has it. You should know that I would never think that anyone should bring a gun in to school (and for that matter, any establishment) regardless of age. I assumed everyone reading this knew that so I figured I did not need to re-explain it. What I meant was, when you are 18, you are legally an adult. Your parents can kick you out of the house and are no longer responsible for you.

In addition, every news report I have seen about airsoft guns being misused were stories about people under 18 (usually in the mid and lower teens). I think the people over 18 are going for the real deal instead of some "toy", but it is still possible. I originally stated that I have hidden and still do hide things from my parents, but I took that out since I thought it was just extraneous data. You're right though; parents can't know everything that their kids do. I just think they should do a better job at teaching them right and wrong.

Keep in mind, this is being written "loosely" and nobody's comments can be accurately depicted over the internet. In other words, don't think that I believe it's right to shoot animals just because I don't mention it or something.

Parents should tell their child when they are very young that playing with guns is wrong and should never be taken to school. Even bugs bunny cartoons had guns, so you can never be to young for this knowledge. These replicas are what make cops choose that life or death decision when some moron brings one to school or points it at a cop in the comfort of his front yard just after watching Rambo. And Baupdeth, I know that your experience in these matters surpass my own especially considering your job as a dispatcher. I definitely appreciate the input

This whole thread is starting to sound just like the conversations I used to have with my buddies who owned Kohn Extreme Sports in Manhattan, KS. Except then it was paintball talk, not airsoft. This topic is really nothing new, I've been over the whole thing before. And the thing we ended up agreeing on is that until there is a definitive law covering it, controversy will never end. And then there will be endless controversy over that law.

Really, the only thing I see as a viable plan for us is to continue to play in a safe, law abiding manner, and discourage illegal use of airsoft guns at every oppertunity. And if we really wanted to get ambitious, perhaps write our lawmakers. Maybe even invite a couple out to a game.

when i was a kid i was never allowed to have toy guns, we werent even allowed to have the samll toy guns for our gi joes. When i was 8 i got my first bb gun after i found it in the basment of my summer house.It was not untill liek 6th grade when i got a cap gun becasie i rode my bike to a hardware store and got one, then when i was a freshman in highschool i got my first airsoft gun at the same hardware store.
you know what i did when i got my first gun? i went to the woods and shot a deer then had a airsoft war with Eric and a freind, got my back pack stolen and had to call the police and explain why i was there in full cammo. Lucky for us the guy was cool said he wasnt going to reoprt that we were there with guns and told us to go home.

Through boy scouts, my dad and having a bb gun my entire life i know how to respect a firearm and i know what the rules and laws are in regards to safe care and ownership, but there are so many out there that are total dumb shits and are scary to be arround. I have seen so many times at my camps range kids begin to walk down adn get their target wile peoepl were still shooting, kids pointing their guns arround at people and just horse play and its scary to think these kids can go just like me and get an airsoft gun at any sportign goods store and have it to use where ever they want. I was not afraid what the cops were gonna do to me when i got caught but my dad was gonna do to me, oh god.

Any cop has the right to shoot and kill somone if they feel threatened or feel that they will be in harms way. I know for a fact that if i was a cop and saw somone with a gun I would have my pistol out in 2 seconds and pointed at that persons face and if i saw any movement twards me i woudl drop them faster then you can say airsoft.
Put yourself in the shoes of a cop and see, being on the streets with drunks, crazies and just dealign with the worst peoepl haev to offer EVERY DAY. No wonder this has happened, its becsue they are sick of tards like killblazer and these other little shits running arround with guns in the streets, taking them to school and being a leech on our law enforcement.

to get an airsoft gun you should have to have a liscence that says you have passed a course in gunsaftey, and states you know the consequences for your actions if you are caught with one. I dont think that it shoudl be like a real fire arm where you need a FFL dealer to get it for you, but you shoudl at least have to take some kind of course offered my the police or even the place where you play airsoft.
Ill tell you this, when i turn 21 i am getting a hand gun and a rifle and will never sell them. i will never sell my airsoft guns either even if they becoem illegal, but if i ever catch my kids with an airsoft gun that they didnt tell me abotut i will kick their ass so fast they wont know what hit them. there is my 2 cents