This is circulating on the AC forum, concerning the problems we were all having at CPX. Anyone here have any input?

All below is from SWAT A4:

How does this sound to send into CPX.


Dear CPX,

The members of the Airsoft Chicago community have had a large discussion on how to help better their experience at Challenge Park. We have put a list together of some constructive criticism to help ensure our safety, and others safety, on the field as well as to have a better time. Last event, a lot of people said they would not come back for several main issues, so we have made this list to show our support for CPX, and we hope that you will make good use of this information.

Respawns make the difference:
People pay good money for a day of airsoft, how do you get your money's worth if you get shot the first 5 minutes of every game and have to sit out until the next game? ( Which has been taking over an hour to get started after the last one has ended.)

Im not picking on anyone specific here, but I'm going to say a new player is (most likely) more bound to get hit faster than an experienced player. A new player might not have the honesty yet, and just pretend it never happened just so they can go and play more to get their $25 worth.

IF CPX ran respawn rules, it would be like reinforcements coming back into the game, and people would call their hits.

Medics caused problems:
Having medics really through the game away. People were getting hit with grenades and claymores, and a medic would just tap them back in. People would get shot, a medic would hold their hand. When that happened, people started calling out that they were cheating, but realistically there was a medic there, tagging him back in play every 5 seconds. Instead of having medics, why not have 3 re-spawns, and that way you actually gain some field when you eliminate a player because they have to walk back to their base, and then walk all the way back on the field again. Only way to completely eliminate someone was to shoot them in the head, that encourages face/head shots!?

“Bangkills” caused safety hazards:
If you bang killed someone, you were dead too? Why? A guy walked in behind 6 of us, said bang 6 times, but only got one of us because of that rule. So he said next time he would just shoot all 6 of us instead. If you walk up behind someone, and say bang, you are dead to, so why say bang? Why not pull the trigger, No one wants to sit out of a game when they get an elimination on their opponent…..

Grenades and Claymores:
I think as long as they “pop” anyone within 15 ft, or in that room is DEAD. A grenade can do A LOT of damage, not just injure everyone. It caused so much confusion. No airsoft grenades actually spray bb’s out well enough, players spend $7 every throw, or $60 for a reusable grenade. If it does POP, they should be dead in that area, no bb’s needed. Claymores can take care of themselves, but again, if it blows up inside of a room, everyone should be dead. They can blow up a tank, why cant they take out people in a small room? ( In a room, they should kill everyone, out in a wooded area the bb’s can hit a target no problem . If they miss, that’s just bad aim ) They must actually function, not a rice krispie like last time. It must be an actual AIRSOFT grenade or claymore for it to count.

- Kevin Johnson/ & the
Airsoft Chicago Community

There are a lot more reasons than that for which I'm not returning. And I feel that a letter like that is demeaning which won't help anything. I think CPX is a lost cause, especially with all of the "input" they've gotten in the past year.

ill give it one more chance other then that i am out, RoR is gogin to have a bunch of games this next year and i am gogin to take my busniess there

I know a lot of people think the full paintball mask is a stupid rule, but I have had to use one at every public event I have gone to so I wouldn't really mind going to another RoR game at least to see how the games are. Nothing can top the games there when Azrael hosted them, but if the ones for next year are even close to as good, I will be there.

Until I hear that CPX fixes their 1 hour wait between games problem, I am not going back again. Like the letter said, it is stupid that you get to play for 5 minutes, but wait for hours just to get that. I think it is also true to why some players might want to cheat.

Basically, CQB has never been my kind of playing style and for $25 I want to play more than a total of an hour; I don't drive 1.5 hrs there and back to sit on my ass. I also want to attend more ASJ games this year. I haven't been to one in a while and I remember them being really fun.

I liked the ASJ games alot. justin is a cool guy along with the rest of the refs there. but the refs at cpx suck. they sit on their ass and talk to dead players

Yeah, I've never played at CPX, but after reading this letter, and assuming that the things in it are true...if a business could not figure these points out the first time, then in my opinion, there not really worth bothering with. To me, it's almost common sense to fix these kind of problems, and from what you guys are saying, CPX has been asked over and over again.

Playing devil's advocate here:

CPX is a dedicated paintball field, right? They hold what, one or two open games a month for six months or eight months, so in a sense, they are still testing the waters, obviously they don't really see how popular airsoft has become.

Also think of this. How many of you have your own dental insurance, and are not going through a parent or other family member? I know that my dental insurance where I work sucks. I mean almost nothing is covered, and what is picked up is after the policy owner; in this case me, pays out an arm and a leg.

Stupid rule or not, if they require a full mask, then damn skippy I am wearing a full mask. I know I don't have $ 3,000 plus laying around for corrective dental work.

Yoroiden wrote:

“Bangkills” caused safety hazards: If you bang killed someone, you were dead too? Why? A guy walked in behind 6 of us, said bang 6 times, but only got one of us because of that rule. So he said next time he would just shoot all 6 of us instead. If you walk up behind someone, and say bang, you are dead to, so why say bang? Why not pull the trigger, No one wants to sit out of a game when they get an elimination on their opponent….. Grenades and Claymores: I think as long as they “pop” anyone within 15 ft, or in that room is DEAD. A grenade can do A LOT of damage, not just injure everyone. It caused so much confusion. No airsoft grenades actually spray bb’s out well enough, players spend $7 every throw, or $60 for a reusable grenade. If it does POP, they should be dead in that area, no bb’s needed. Claymores can take care of themselves, but again, if it blows up inside of a room, everyone should be dead. They can blow up a tank, why cant they take out people in a small room? ( In a room, they should kill everyone, out in a wooded area the bb’s can hit a target no problem . If they miss, that’s just bad aim ) They must actually function, not a rice krispie like last time. It must be an actual AIRSOFT grenade or claymore for it to count. -

these are my two least favorite rules. i agree with the bang rule within 15 feet, whole-heartedly. but i don't agree with the bang rule=suicide rule, or the bang rule inside a building kills only 1 person rule. that was my teammate who called bang on 6 people. i feel if you walk into a room unnoticed(he had time to call me on the radio and ask if the people with blue bands were the enemy, which i found hilarious) and shout bang, everyone on that side of the room/wall should be dead, seeing as how you aren't allowed to open fire that close. bang rule=suicide is just plain stupid. how else can you clear a room?

on the subject of grenades, i thought any grenade used that wasn't mounted to a gun was illegal. i may be mistaken but i thought i read that in the rules. while i agree that the use of grenades adds realism and fun to the game, i don't feel that they can be judged properly.

i'm sure i will attend another cpx game, but i'm going to look into ROR once the weather gets warm. 3 months in a row of shooting the same guy with a highcap and he's somehow still standing there is getting pretty lame. the judges need to take it as seriously as i like to think all the players do. there's my two cents

i feel the same as tbozzle, i was facing about 10 guys on the map with all the hills and i could only get one guy with a bang kill, but i could have gotten like 4 if i just opened up on them.

as far as the judges go they were terrible last month, not just during games but also while waiting. one judge said ten minutes and we ended up waiting like 30 minutes

axis14 wrote:

i was facing about 10 guys on the map with all the hills...

Not directed at just you, axis, but it's not called a map. This is not counterstrike, rainbow 6, or any other computer game. It's called a field in airsoft. I bet there are even other names for it, but if anything, it's not a map.

sorry about that but i really couldn't think of another term at the time didn't know the name of the field (probably what i should have used) we were playing on. i normally try to stay away from using terms from videos games etc.

Anyone who was in the post office with me saw what happened. If you didnt here you go:

My team started at the side of Bedlam closest to Armageddon. When the game started about five of us ran to the post office which is a two room builind covered up by the nets. When we got there, about five guys from the other team were in the second room. My dad was standing clear of any fire and some guy shoots through the netting and hits my dad. We tell him it acts as a wall and he does it again. A ref. was standing there the enitre time and didnt say anything. We explained what happened and the ref still didnt care.

After this happened we cleared the second room except for one guy who ran out as we ran in. My dad was by one of the windows covered by netting. There was a player from the other team on the side of that window so my dad and the player could see eachother. Out of nowhere, the other player held his gun around the door (considered blind firing, and only a foot away) and opened up on my dad and cut his hand open. The ref was standing right there and didnt say a thing. I still have more to tell you.

After my dad got killed the other team took control of the second room. One of their players had an m203. He was about to come through the door into our room and I bang killed him (didnt know I would be called out). The ref said he never saw it so when im not paying attention, the kid with the m203 turns his gun into our room and shoots the grenade. Now the ref actually sees it and said I was out.

All in all, the refs at CPX really need to wake up and start using their mouths. And as for the waiting an hour between matches is messed up. I will give them one more chance before I'm out of there.

well next game i am gonna pick my shots a little better mabey they wake up when they feel the sting

i think im done period. the last time i went in october durring the robbery scenario a guy ran in and bang killed 3 of us and the ref didnt say nething. i think its fair that if your in a room and someone calls bang they get out after one call cuz in all actuality someone isnt going to get six kills before getting killed himself, especially if theyre spread out in the room like me and the 2 other guys were durring the robbery. and i defanetly like the idea with the grenade going off in a room. Justin Brown of ASJ added that rule durring the last asylum

I think one reason why Airsoft Chicago games were so good is because they didn't have to worry about bang kills that often since the playing field was so massive. I bet if AC had CQB games, we would notice similar problems, but at least AC had the respawn rules. They didn't even take an official break for lunch so you could really get your money's worth and play at your own pace.

about 20 minutes was wasted last month on a pistols only match where there were only around like ten guys(another waste of precious time!), i'm getting tired of the scenario repeats and small selection of field usage over the past three months, i wish i could have gone to an ASJ or AC game just to see the difference

AC just had one today.. Gates open at 5:30am and Briefing is 8am.

I love AC alot more cause the people there WANT TO airsoft and will push a game going really fast. Plus we have parts already reserved for us airsofters.

AC doesnt host events anymore i thought. i was never told the was an event, except the one at rhelms or ruins but thats 2nd city airsoft or something like that hosting those games now

aside from the general poor grammer used and altamative attitutde of the letter, from past events that have happened at cpx, you are not going to get them to change any rules.

i've played airsoft at cpx since the begining of 2004, and let me tell you, it has really, really gone downhill. from rampet cheating of public players to safey infractions inacted by veteran player i.e. wearing shooting glasses and no face protection where cpx rules have called for full seal and full face protection weather it be a mask or just by covering your nose, ears, and mouth

cpx used to be great, throughout 04-05 if you atttended one of their open games i was the one running the games, i needed to bring a binder of scenarios/quick games as the refs let us handle everything ourselves. in fact the refs just acted as "figure heads" of sorts fullfilling an "insurence need" to be on the feild, and to hold our guns when the batteries died inplay. we were on first name basis with a handful of refs and they would fight who go to take us out when we got there because they knew all the had to do would be to stand there watch. we handled all the rules, we even got to pick what feilds we would play on, we even had half of cpx limited just to us - the forrest half - in 04 for a large scale scenario game.

sadly, cpx will never be like this again, with ownership hand changes, numerous saftey violations, people calling the cops and the infamous "orange tip" fiasco, cpx and it's private ownership simply doesn't make enough money to allow us to play by our rules anymore

not to mention the overwhelming publicity of their public games bringing in public kids and paintballers with airsoft guns who simply play by paintball rules.

the refs are acting accordingly, i used to be a NPPL tourney ref in FL and goggle saftey was our #1 concern, this is how the refs are acting because the majority of players are acting like paintballers

cpx will forever be known as one of the greatest public places to play, 2 years ago, now it is known for what it is today, paintsoft heaven, and that will never change, now matter how many petitions are signed, they simply don't make enough money off of us to care about more "detailed" rules and keep it as close to paintball as they can

quoting knight "CPX is a paintball field - leave it at that."

Well put Breech.

On any given day, CPX will make at least 4 times the money on paintball then what they do on airsoft. Any day we are out there, there are always far more paintballers than airsofters. They make way more money off of them.

Aside from the fact that the Chicagoland airsoft community is splintered into different "factions", and different groups of people playing different styles of games. Its great to see alot of younger kids get into airsoft, but if they are simply going to be playing paintball with airsoft guns, then I do not see the point of trying to play with them, thats not the kind of game I am out trying to play.

There have been to many safety violations, broken rules and cheating for them to allow airsofters to run the games anymore, and given that the Chicago Airsoft Community is so splintered right now, I don't think we will ever be allowed to run our own games at CPX anymore.

On average, because of work and school, I get out to about 1 public game a month, and I would rather spend my money to get to play airsoft once a month rather than driving 1.5 hours and paying 25$ to play a game of paintsoft.

At the next public game I attend, I hope to see all of you guys out there, and I hope we can enjoy a safe and good clean game of airsoft, but more than anything, I hope we can all have a good time on the field and just have some fun.

Freese