I am a BIG fan of the MP5's but I also like the M4. I like the MP5 because it is more of a CQB gun, but the M4 is more upgradeable and reliable. I also like to be diffrent thou, every game i go to EVERY one has A M4 or M16. "HEAT" i need to know witch should i pick. A TM MP5 or a TM or CA M4? But I have had my eye on a TM M14. I Need Help!

Uhm, pick what you want.


Airsoft is all about what you like and want - just because everyone else out there has M4s and AKs doesn't mean you have to, too...

You know what, you are right Knight, but still i am also more of a sniper, and i need a gun with the range but under the FPS limit so if they get to close i can still defend myself with a gun that is able to hit them, not a pistol for a back up if they get within the 100ft sniper range.

I think you may be unhappy if you choose the mp5. It doesn't have nearly the range as the m4/m16 series. Like Knight said, it's all about what you want to buy. Every airsofter may have an m4, but what do you think the army does? They too sport almost all the same weapon.

Whichever you choose though, I suggest Classic Army. They have a great reputation for realism and reliability.

I'd have to agree with Adam and Knight on this. Choose the one you want, but go for something with the range; i.e., the M4. Even though it may seem like every Tom, Dick, and Jane has one, there are enough parts and accessories out there where no two will be exactly the same.

As an example, I have two; one specifically set up for field use, (Which I wanted to use today, but no, stuck at work yet again) and one for CQB environments. The only thing that is the same is the magazines that are used, and if bored maybe the sight package used.

I won't comment on the merits of CA v. TM; I've had no problems with either of my TM's, and I've never owned or fielded a CA weapon. Other websites 'review' sections give both high and low marks. If you have the cash, and want really reliable, go for a G&G or GP. IMO, all four would or should suit your needs perfectly.

I'd ask Yourdin (sp) what his take is. I think he has fielded both.

i got an mp5 for sale tm m5pa4 excellent condition if you want to know more let me know and i can send you price and pictures plus the guns specs

if you do get an aeg get the classic army m4 don't get a tm m4 unless you are willing to reinforce the barrel. unless you like barrel wobble ( which you'd have to be an idiot if you do...)

in my opinion an mp5 and an m4 are just as upgradable but it would probably more wothwhile to ugrade an m4

What about the TM PSG-1 and would it be in the sniper class or does it have to be 500+ FPS to be 1 in airsoft fields? And Mustang can I get info on your MP5 and pics.

axis14 wrote:

...don't get a tm m4 unless you are willing to reinforce the barrel. unless you like barrel wobble ( which you'd have to be an idiot if you do...)

Axis, are you speaking from experience or blowing smoke from your rear? If you want to start bashing the various weapon mfg's, then let's put CA to the test, shall we? How about issues with the cheaply made metal they use on their bodies, oops guess you forgot about that huh? Issues with their gearing grinding down to nothing after usage, oops. How about that their 'accessories' only fit CA weapons; otherwise get ready to modify the hell out of them before you stick them on anything else, or the fact you have to modify other parts just to get them to fit properly on a CA. Yeah great value there sparky. (Let me guess you work for ASJ too, right?)

Getting back on topic, MP5guy get what you want. But before you do, research. Check out other forums. Although originally I think there was an issue with the included scope; like you couldn't change it. Second issue, get ready to pay mega bucks for internal upgrades. Third. Hope you enjoy a fifteen round magazine. Fourth, it is one heavy beast.

It is similar in looks to the real steel version, however you aren't playing Rainbow 6 or Battlefield 2. I think it fits more in a Urban type setting with European gear, then in a temperate deciduous forest (which is where we are). Also how many true urban warfare centers are around here? Seriously I think the closest two are at Ft. McCoy Wisconsin or Ft. Knox Kentucky. Seems like a waste of money just to say you 'have' a PSG.

One last thing, it is an aeg, so you would be limited to aeg fps limits on fields, where as your 'true' bolt action guns allow for a little bit faster speed.

www.airsoftplayers.com...erms=psg+1

(Edited 0015 hrs 10/30/06)

what i should have said is that all guns have minor problems not just tms... matter of fact i probably shouldn't have said anything. it's your choice so get what you think will make you happy in the long run...

hey how ya doin? i myself jus ordered a CA M4A4 carbine. what kind of things are u looking for in a gun? what do u like more about each gun. with n M4 u get fire power n distance along with accuracy. with an mp5 u can get firepower but not the greatest distance or accuracy. so think about those things.

i can get an accurate shot within 75-85 ft with my mp5. accurate meaning within 3-7 inches with minimal wind or blockage which i think is pretty good for a mp5. the carbine is more comfortable though (i'd like to say that i don't own one but the one or two i've held were amazing)

i got mine from evike which sum of the guys dont approve of on the site but i have had good experiences with them. their m4 comes in a package with a batt, charger n 2000 .2 bb's for 309 n sum odd cents

edit n another thing. unless u have the gun n it has that problem dont comment on it plez. same goes for gear.

edit n baupdeth, toggle47 is the 1 with the TM with a barrel that wobbles. so he wasnt completly blowing smoke out his ass

i won't count it as real expirience because i never actually held his gun but i did hear it from anther member on heat

i'm kind of afraid of evike because it is an ebay store and a lot of the pictures on ebay are usually not the actual object they would sell you but a mass produced image i was thinking about ordering from kastway or asgi

Mp5man: You said that you like the sniper role, but you also want an AEG with range, but you can still use it up close. I would have to say to go with an M14. Go with either G&G or G&P with this one. I'm not quite sure which is the best, but I'm sure it's one of those. I'm just too lazy right now to look it up.

When these babys (the m14) are upgraded they are amazing. They have a super long barrel, there not bad looking, and they still have a full automatic option. They one downside that I can see from getting one of these is the size. If you are a tiny boned guy, this gun might be a little to big for ya'. You still have to consider that some guns are too big for some people, and then they can't use them to their full potential.

If you don't want to go with an m14, then I say go with the M4. Being a previous owner of a CA mp5, I know that they don't have the accuracy that a true sniper would want. That' the reason why I switched to an M4. Because it was more accurate, and because it has a ton of options with it.

But it's totally up to you. And like Baupdeth said, G&G and G&P are the way to go if you want the really good stuff. I personally like G&P stuff better.

the only problem with g&g is the fairly high prices but hey it's your choice

at cpx they consider sniper to be bolt action or manual so if you get an m14 it still has to fall under the 400 fps limits because it shoots both full and semi auto

birdman wrote:

edit n baupdeth, toggle47 is the 1 with the TM with a barrel that wobbles. so he wasnt completly blowing smoke out his ass

Dude,

Like you guys have repeatedly stated, even as recently as last week; don't post on guns or gear unless if you have first hand knowledge. If you want to get nit-picky technically all guns have a fault or have something slip past QC.

Axis even admitted that he didn't have knowledge, just hearsay. "I won't count it as real experience because I have never actually held his gun but I did hear it from another member on HEAT." (Edit spelling)

In my original post, "I won't comment on the merits of CA v. TM; I've had no problems with either of my TM's, and I've never owned or fielded a CA weapon." Ok maybe I was one of the lucky ones that didn't have a barrel wobble issue with either of my TM's. Also maybe things have changed at their plant on quality or barrel installation from the first version to whatever hell version they are on now.

Again, I can say the same thing on CA's quality. I've never held or fielded one, but by basing on what others have said in the past, and by reading other forum boards, I'd stay away from them, again for the metal body issues, gearing problems, etc. However, because I never held or fired one I really cannot give an accurate or reliable read on whether or not this has been corrected, and who knows, maybe CA got their act together and fixed their quality control issues affecting their first round of guns to their current version.

if you read the reviews on arnies airsoft i think they reviewed the older more problematic version of classic army when they were an up-and-coming airsoft brand. that is the only site i have ever read a bad word about classic army

i held and used his gun

Hehe hehe you held his gun.

Seriously though, at least I think we can all agree on not fielding crap weapons right? (Cyma, Jerry Springers, cyberguns et al.)

This little arguement can be likened to; what caliber is better, 9mm or .45? Which is better blondes, brunettes, or red heads?

It all boils down to personal preference.